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Any Factory & Aftermarket 2L Golf conversion info
08-03-2011, 08:28 AM
Post: #11
Re: Any Factory & Aftermarket 2L Golf conversion info
Hi herman

drove one yesterday with gotech, runs really well but use vaccuum not TPS. i would still suggest MP9, easier to fix and find parts for in out of the way places.

stuart

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08-15-2011, 11:50 PM
Post: #12
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Hi guys,

Came upon this link:
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My question: Why do the guys go for the 8V Golf motor instead of the 16V engines?

The 8V motor : 1,984 cubic centimetres (121.1 cu in) inline-four engine (R4/I4); bore x stroke: 82.5 by 92.8 millimetres (3.25 in × 3.65 in), stroke ratio: 0.89:1 - undersquare/long-stroke, 496.1 cc per cylinder, compression ratio: 10.0-10.5:1

The 16V motor : 1,984 cubic centimetres (121.1 cu in) inline-four engine (R4/I4); bore x stroke: 82.5 by 92.8 millimetres (3.25 in × 3.65 in), stroke ratio: 0.89:1 - undersquare/long-stroke, 496.1 cc per cylinder, compression ratio: 11.5:1

Same basic motor with the same block: CG25 grey cast iron; five main bearings; die-forged steel crankshaft, forged steel connecting rods Different heads and intakes.

8V Motor Variants: (2.0 R4 37-88kW (EA827))

80 kilowatts (109 PS; 107 bhp) @ 5,400 rpm; 160 newton metres (118 ft·lbf) @ 3,500 rpm — Ecofuel (bivalent) (CNG) Touran, Caddy, Transporter/Caravelle - BSX
85 kilowatts (116 PS; 114 bhp) @ 5,400 rpm; 165 newton metres (122 ft·lbf) @ 3,200 rpm — AWG, AWF
85 kilowatts (116 PS; 114 bhp) @ 5,400 rpm; 166 newton metres (122 ft·lbf) @ 2,600 rpm — AGG
85 kilowatts (116 PS; 114 bhp) @ 5,400 rpm; 166 newton metres (122 ft·lbf) @ 3,200 rpm — 2E, ADY, ABA
85 kilowatts (116 PS; 114 bhp) @ 5,200 rpm; 170 newton metres (125 ft·lbf) @ 2,400 rpm — APK, AQY
85 kilowatts (116 PS; 114 bhp) @ 5,200 rpm; 170 newton metres (125 ft·lbf) @ 2,600 rpm — ATM
85 kilowatts (116 PS; 114 bhp) @ 5,400 rpm; 172 newton metres (127 ft·lbf) @ 3,200 rpm — AZH, AZJ
85 kilowatts (116 PS; 114 bhp) @ 5,400 rpm; 172 newton metres (127 ft·lbf) @ 3,500 rpm — AZM
88 kilowatts (120 PS; 118 bhp) @ 5,600 rpm; 174 newton metres (128 ft·lbf) @ 2,400 rpm — ATF
88 kilowatts (120 PS; 118 bhp) @ 5,600 rpm; 175 newton metres (129 ft·lbf) @ 2,600 rpm — AUZ, ASU, AVA

16V motor Variants : (2.0 R4 16v FSI 110kW)
110 kilowatts (150 PS; 148 bhp) @ 6,000 rpm; 200 newton metres (148 ft·lbf) @ 3,500 rpm

Is price, availability, durability or what else the reason that a lower powered motor is the preferred option?

Surely 400 rpm on the kW output difference of 22 kW and the 300 rpm on the 34 nm difference ( 2E, ADY, ABA, AZH, AZJ) of the 16V higher revving cannot make such a difference in off road conditions. Am i missing something here? Please enlighten me on the subject.

Frans BosBus

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08-16-2011, 03:02 PM
Post: #13
Re: Any Factory & Aftermarket 2L Golf conversion info
The 8v motor is more suitable in a bus since the multi valves want revs !Friend has a 1.8t 20v in his syncro and after fitting 15 inch wheels wants to pull his hair out due to the "lag" and you gotta rev the snot outta them, not ideal for 4 wheel driving.
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08-16-2011, 04:37 PM
Post: #14
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i think the thing that you are missing is the fsi engine comes out of a golf 5 where the 2E comes from a golf 3
the fsi engine costs around R25 000 where the 2E engine can be picked up for less than R5000 and the adaptor plates and blocks arent the same
the fsi engine requires fsi management and the 2E can be run on mp9
the fsi is an expensive conversion that i was looking into as i had an engine with management lying around but the extra 400 rpm is a big deal and the golfs dont really go with those engines
the Tfsi is the turbo model which would be the better option if spending the money to fit the fsi
the TFSI makes 147kw and 280Nm and would be a nice motor for highway cruising
bosbus you need to come visit me in springs one day then i can take you in all my syncro's and show you how the 5 cylinders run and how well the 2E runs

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08-17-2011, 04:25 PM
Post: #15
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Thanx guys,

That answers my question. Will be shopping around for a 8V soon. Dean, will see you soon, also to discuss the other parts ie. round light conversion and electric windows we spoke about.

cheers,

Frans BosBus

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08-17-2011, 04:33 PM
Post: #16
Any Factory & Aftermarket 2L Golf conversion info
Frans I'm in springs on Saturday morning, try come through and I can show you what I have pulled in recently that I can make a nice deal for you

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2.0i Cox Camper Syncro 1989
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08-17-2011, 05:11 PM
Post: #17
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Hi Dean,

I am down with pneumonia at the moment but if I am OK i will see you Saturday morning at the Yard. If it is not to much hassle we can maybe do the headlight swap then?
Frans BosBus

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08-17-2011, 07:56 PM
Post: #18
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No problem hope you get better

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10-09-2011, 03:23 AM
Post: #19
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[quote="BosBus"]Hi guys,

Came upon this link:
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My question: Why do the guys go for the 8V Golf motor instead of the 16V engines?

Hey man i also had that kinda question in my mind and i would have at some stage dreamt abt putting a very fancy and nippy vw multi-valve motor into an old golf 3 or caddy etc but many things came play ie
- cost price for the motor and spares, service etc
- ease of availabity of parts and qualified service personel

And last but not least, if yu scrutinise the cyli-head construction, in comparison with a simple 8v one y will immediatelly realise that there is twice as much the holes and ports drilled o the 16v which makes lighter and less robust than the 8v, so in my terms its not as tough and strong as the 8v and i think thats why plenty of the 2l 16v Jetta mk2 Cli are History, these heads cannot eva take the extra abuse that can be handled by their 8v sibblings.


I stand to correction though, this is jus the way i see it,

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10-10-2011, 12:27 PM
Post: #20
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the 2.0i 8 valve is cheap and easy to find, they are reliable and almost bullet proof. conversion is simple to do, and any mechanic can work on them, parts are really cheap as well.

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